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Tom_V BerichtGeplaatst: 26 Jan 2007 18:38    Onderwerp: Een reactie op Gamespot Reageren met citaat



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Ja, het is een flinke brok en ja, het is in het Engels. En toch loont het de moeite om eens te lezen hoe gebruiker GrimBee de huidige consolemarkt ziet.

Ik vond het alvast een heel interessant reactie die er met kop en schouders bovenuit stak.

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Well, Sony's net loss for their game division is MASSIVE. But it is slightly outweighed in other departments -

You see, Nintendo HAVE to make a profit on each console. All they do is make consoles and games. It's like a goalkeeper, if the goalie played all the positions, how can he be good at each one? If one item concentrates on one job, its a winning formula.

The ps3 has cost sony BILLIONS and BILLIONS. What with the development of the Cell processor (on the back of another project) and Bluray.

If you think about it this way, the PS3 is made out of components that Sony's other divisions were making ANYWAYS. So essentially all they did was tweak them, and slap them inside a ps3.

This way, it doesn't matter how much the Sony game division mess about, its always going to be backed by the other divisions of Sony, because now they have invested in their game section.
You see, the different segments of Sony all have different investors. If these investors said "ah, but I dont want to front the ps3 this time"... Ps3 wont have enough net to fall back on.

But what Sony did is this - They included other technology to fill the system up, use it to push their media formats in an "all in wonder" kind of unit. This way the console is backed by their entire product range.
I mean, you can guarantee that TV's will have the XMB, bluray players will probably have an XMB, mp3 walkmans and phones will connect to the ps3...

Its an endless hub of Sony connectivity. WIth the ps3 being able to push other sony products forwards, it has a nice net to fall back on. This is why ps1 games are only avaliable for the psp via the ps3. It is because Sony want to push this ideology to its max.

Microsoft, however, are still trying to get a foothold in the market. At the moment, their foot is in the door. I mean, if Microsoft said "ah, we're not going to make another console after the 360" not many people would care, because there will be someone else there to take their place.

Until Microsoft can REALLY establish themselves as a SERIOUS competitor, they will continually have to invest in oppertunities.

This is why I think the 360 will be succeeding for the next few years. When you are in a position like Microsoft are, you have no choice but to buy out game liscences, empty those DEEEEEP pockets and get some amazing things out which make people say "wow!".
At the moment, Nintendo are slowly careering on with their success, when they were in a spot of trouble with the DS (the phat version) vs the psp - you could see that they were trying very hard, getting advertising, redesign the console, more and more games.

Now it seems to of slowed down a bit because they are at the top of the league.

With Microsoft being in this position will prove excellent for us, we will see game liscences being bought out, exclusives, brilliant games and extra content. And also competetive pricing.

Sony, however, because they have delved into their other divisions to fill the ps3 up with features, this means that the other divisions of Sony have something to say about the final product. Meaning, its not JUST about games to the ps3.

Because Bluray is such a large factor of the ps3, it is always going to have the executives saying "but how much does bluray cost us? why are we not seeing many bluray movie sales?"
This is when Sony HAS to compensate for all the other divisions that are aiming for a net-result.

With free internet on the ps3, this is an ideal way to snag people into their plan. At first it is free, but then come the adverts, the constant updates, the hidden costs.
Because sony have relied on their other divisions, and also the other divisions have said "ah yes, the playstation is a successful name, lets stick bluray in that! Sell like hot cakes!"

When they see that bluray isn't really flying off of the shelves, it wont be the GAME division getting in a tizz, it will be the Sony online section saying "but people arent buying games from us!" and then the bluray section saying "but why arent people buying bluray movies??" and then the PSP section saying "but why arent people downloading ps1 games enough?".

When one thing goes wrong with Microsoft, you can bet that Microsoft wont resort to saying things like "buy a microsoft zune, xbox 360 only has exclusive zune connectivity" to make the product more "interesting".

You see, a console is an investment oppertunity. When Microsoft truely slaps its but on that golden seat in the market, investors will then decide to push money into the console even more. Thus leading Microsoft to have even DEEPER pockets, if Microsoft wanted to buy out liscences, they could because they will have the investors with them every step of the way.

Sony, however, are relying on a lot of their seperate divisions to push the ps3 forwards. Its not just relying on games this time around. Its fronting their new Sony store, you you buy stuff from there (they are hoping to start their own itunes but with games, videos and music).
Then, Bluray is sliming its way onto the console, bumping that pricetag way up.
The cell processor is there because of the Sony venture into making a mass-produced CPU that they can profit from.

There is three very seperate divisions of sony, all living off the back of the Playstation name.
When sales are down for the ps3, you wont see a price drop. You will see their other divisions adapting instead.
Microsoft and Nintendo are in a wonderful position - to concentrate mainly on the games. because really thats all that they have to ride on at the moment.
Fair enough, they are introducing more things, but these are made for their game division entirely. Unlike bluray, which will always have the movie division to rely on.

You know that this is the case when you read an interview from each company. All nintendo go on about is "introducing games to non-gamers". All microsoft go on about is "games, xbox live, games, high definition gaming".

Yet, all sony go on about is HDMI, High Definition, BLURAY, Ridge Racer, Giant Enemy Crab, Cell Processor (oh, and the success of the ps2).

Ps2 was great as it concentrated on games first, then movies and stuff a dead last.
This is what Microsoft and even Nintendo (with their photos and stuff) take things. Sony are concentrating all all things to their their seperate divisions can all have a piece of the potential pie.
Being in a competetive position like this is good for Microsoft, keeps them on their toes.
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Roderick BerichtGeplaatst: 26 Jan 2007 19:43    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat



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Ik kan me er goed in vinden, en het komt grotendeels overeen met wat ik onlangs in mijn column heb gezegd over de 3 concurrenten.

Ms moet in de picture staan en in mijn ogen NOG meer games en studios naar zich toe trekken. Als ze dit doen en echt alle registers opentrekken is het marktleider voor Microsoft en denk ik zelfs dat dit over enkele generaties ten koste gaat van de concurrent. Doen ze dat niet, blijven ze flink achter.

Sony moet idd stoppen met het kijken naar de (overigens prachtige) hardware die ze hebben gemaakt en kijken naar wat de gamer wil=games. Als Sony dit weer doet en ook weer meer naar 3rd party gaat kijken (wat MS nu heel erg doet) kunnen ze gewoon het marktleiderschap houden. Doen ze dat niet, blijven ze flink achter.

Nintendo valt een beetje buiten de boot en moet proberen de fun van die Wii onder de aandacht te houden, met innoverende nieuwe concepten komen voor de Wii en vooral afwisseling bieden. Als dat gebeurt zie ik de Wii het marktleiderschap nog wel pakken. Doen ze dat niet, blijven ze flink achter.

Zoals je wel ziet aan mijn reactie kan het alle kanten op met de strijd, het enige waar de gamer op hoopt is dat de kopstukken van de 3 giganten een stel knappe koppen zijn met een goed oog voor de gamesindustrie. Zo krijgen we de spannendste strijd en dat is weer mooi voor sites als Gamed.
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Joker BerichtGeplaatst: 27 Jan 2007 11:43    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat



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Ik denk dat Sony heel erg onderschat wordt op het itnernet. Bedenk dat PlayStation de grote naam is, en dat de verkoop aan de kritsche gamers op internet maar een klein percentage is. De echte verkopen haal je daar niet mee, maar met de gewone man die leuke games wilt spelen, en die haalt zijn informatie vooral uit reclame, ervaringen van vrienden en ervaringen uit het verleden. Dat Sony nog weinig in het nieuws is met games heeft natuurlijk met die flinke achterstand te maken. Dat komt echt nog wel. Dat de console later en duurder is, heeft natuurlijk niet alleen nadelen, alleen hoe de voordelen in de toekomst gaan uitwerken is nog de vraag.

Het is wel zo dat Sony nu aan zet is, en eerlijk is eerlijk, hun PS3 beleid heeft nog niet echt succes geboekt. In de tussentijd geven MS en Nintendo goede tegenstand. De komende jaren zullen het uitwijzen.
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